Although Mark Mothersbaugh co-founded Devo, he didn't think it was a band at first. To Mark and his bandmates, Devo was an art movement. Mark sits down in the garage to talk about his upbringing in Akron, attending Kent State University when the National Guard shooting happened, the unexpected success of Whip It, and the unforeseen creative rejuvenation he experienced while scoring television shows, films and animation, beginning with Pee-Wee's Playhouse. This episode is sponsored by Chris Gethard: Career Suicide on HBO, Stamps.com, and ZipRecruiter.